"former jehovah's witness jailed for historical sex offences against young sisters... .
sentencing magistrate bernadette boss noted it was "most unfortunate" that once again a church had failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.. that made the church complicit in the matters and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," dr boss said...".
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Doubtful.....WOW!
Thank you for sharing that. I think we have all done things we now look back at and are ashamed of. I am glad you were honest with the authorities.
May I ask, that honesty and admittance that you felt not all that could have been done.....was done, has that affected your relationship with those elders? Are you openly out?
mum has a mild form of lukeimia if she took blood like normal people she could live to be 100. but no, anointed sisters dont compromise jehovah wont allow it.
so here i am moving to sydney for one month going to hospital everyday putting my life on hold to watch my mother die slowly.
watching her gasp for air, struggle to breath.
Ugh. I hate to hear of it. Of course the narrative is that this sort of thing just never happens anymore. Blood is never really "necessary" anymore, and is dangerous.
Anyway to speak to the guys coming around about the real deal?
hi everyone.. well, i have some good news.
after having a terrible moment arguing with my mom about the 1914 teaching and all it evolves (she get really upset and i felt great regret for starting the argument) she came to me next day and started talking with a much more open mind, and she talked about a lot of concerns too.. she and my father naivily expressed the wish to write to bethel to ask about 607bc.
i told in all the possible ways it wouldn't work.
JB - Prepare to get disfellowshipped.
I almost did a spit take here. Haha. Anyways, I was thinking the same thing. I almost sent a letter about blood (it was 9 pages long), then I learned from people on here, that letter would just go to my elders and they would be referred to deal with me. Well.....I already knew they weren't able to have an intelligent conversation about it so I didn't send it. I am not DF'd probably for only that reason.
tonight i had an argument with both my parents.
my parents are aware of my feelings towards the organization, and it saddens them because i am their first born son.
they had high expectations of me, my father dreamt of him and i serving together as elders.
Jules,
Not all selfishness is bad. For example....you could compromise your values and integrity, stay a JW, deal with the resulting depression and drudgery that comes with going but not believing, probably end up getting yourself in trouble.....all while being miserable.
Or you could live an authentic life, reach out to your parents and others with love and positivity, and continue to evole as a person and your belief system.
In the end.....which person better serves their family, their friends, and humanity?
P.S. - I would stay away from the word cult, or other pejorative "triggers". Tell them you have to obey your conscience. You are taking the more difficult road. You simply do not believe they are being chosen. And honestly....I would reconsider disassociating. Give your family a way to speak to you.
bbc news website has this linked on front page.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40704990.
Ugh. the problem is as Steve pointed out, the glaring inaccuracies here whether due to bad journalism, or simply dishonesty on the part of someone he interviewed for the sake of sentimentalization......take away from the larger point. Shunning exists, and is carried out for stupid reasons.
JW's reading this will just call it "apostate lies" and laugh it off, rather than reading a story that connects them to emotion, and maybe thinking about it.
win my first post i introduced you to tweedle dee and tweedle dum, ( surprise elders visit ).
well last sunday night i got phone call from t- dum, he informed me that t-dee was listening in, no doubt practicing his short hand.
t-dum went on to say how he was concerned that we were making the biggest mistake of our lives, yada yada.
Not being able to have a rational discussion, or talk about the merits of an action, only expecting back slaps and atta boys........thats the lingering JW personality guys.
People can think and feel differently about subject and actions in the real world...and its ok.
I personally think treating my former brothers with disdain and disrespect doesn't actually accomplish anything but feed into their narrative of the unhinged apostate. Its why people screaming at convensions is counterproductive to the work many of us do to break down the barriers erected by the GB in the minds of their followers.
But I also recognize that the organization will not let you leave with your dignity. they stress your own concepts of integrity with their double talk, and going after you and your family which has consequences in your relationships.
So I advocate a balanced approach.....but I also get it when people want their pound of flesh.
Having a conversation about these things, and presenting your arguments....shouldn't be something that is as negative and divisive as these last couple of pages.
http;www.worlstarhipop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhmg115hx2qp8inyuo.went too far, man answers the door naked when jw's appear..https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=akj2w94el_a...oh hell search, went to far, man answers the door naked when jw's appear, a young black male......it was e-mail to me and i'am using the same address but not working for me,hopefully you will find it.
a young jw child was present, not good.......
Anyone defending this guy is wrong. This was a mother with her child. Would have taken less time for him to tell her no, than it did to strip and turn on his phone like an asshole.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.
the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.
the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.
Crow,
My "grooming" as a younger fellow was done by someone who had such a ridiculous lack of knowledge of medical procedure it was laughable. This is of course maybe 20 years ago now.
Mainly I was pulled in because I was working in the fringes of the medical field at the time (wish i would have had the courage to extend my education and really get into it), and I was someone known for being able to handle sticky or uncomfortable situations. Most of what i was "taught", was how to distrust the medical staff, and make sure they were held accountable for pressuring the friends if it came to that.
I swallowed it hook line and sinker, but I was reproved for something and that put an end to that.
i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.
it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.
even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.
Ugh. Why do parents say these things? its because they are desperate. Take some pity on them, even while they say these horrible things to you. Find strength, and respond with it.
My mother said to me that I was sentencing my children to death. They are very small. I looked at her and said, "Mom, I know you are very hurt. Its because of that, that i am going to let that comment slide this time. But don't you ever say anything like that again to me. Do you understand?"
She said she understood, and has not said anything like it since.
fyi (regarding those posters/readers who are interested): 2017 san diego comic con started last thursday, 7/20/17 and is ending today, sunday, 7/23/17.
here are the footage/highlights of it (i'm planning one of these days to attend it ):.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvu6dd59iya&t=93s.
Went yesterday (I live close). Would have been nice to hook up with some of you fine folks if you were in the area.
